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Post by madmorgan on Feb 22, 2016 12:13:43 GMT
Hmmm, okay so the FFL, properly supported by French navy, could be hold up in some forts and towns along the coast. I like that even if you folks are really putting the squash on my FFL around the world ideas. IRL, the FFL had numerous postings up until this day - but, this is AQ. The French have some very good ships that would be a major firebase for any FFL, especially behind some fort walls. I'll work up an OOB on this based on the cities/towns you mention. TY for some of this - I'll still maintain that in AQ there are other FFL units about. Or not.
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Post by scottwashburn on Feb 22, 2016 15:13:20 GMT
Well, the French Army of this period had large numbers of colonial troops who they would sometimes ship to trouble spots around the world. So there's plenty of opportunities for colorful troops (as if the red-trousered French troops aren't colorful enough!)
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Post by Quendil on Feb 22, 2016 17:10:14 GMT
As the game in defunct the cannon is what we make of it. If you want to use the FFL go ahead , I probably will when I get to some Middle East / Africa campaigns
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Post by Quendil on Feb 22, 2016 17:37:24 GMT
As the game in defunct the cannon is what we make of it. If you want to use the FFL go ahead , I probably will when I get to some Middle East / Africa campaigns well see I have no problem with people coming up with their own fluff, but find umbrage when it goes against the official Fluff which had pretty much North Africa wiped out by Martian forces coming from the middle east. which would bring up a curious situation regarding the levant and such and the holy lands which are currently under Martian occupation and the religious fervor it would cause. Thats up to you but it is a fictional game and people are within their right to change things how they see fit. Whether it be rules or background.
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Post by Quendil on Feb 22, 2016 17:59:34 GMT
Thats up to you but it is a fictional game and people are within their right to change things how they see fit. Whether it be rules or background. that would be like me saying that no part of the US is under Martian control and that it is all under US control. there are slight deviations, then there are miss the mark by a mile deviations. If you wanted to do that, that would be fine. You can make up your own background and just use the rules. If someones world view is that the Martian invasion was mainly in Europe and the USA were the ones coming to the aid there is nothing wrong with that. However trying to push your own point of view on other people is not on, this is a fictional game and people can change it however they want. Unfortunately I have seen on too many forums gamers/hobbyists banging on about cannon which apart from putting people off will also stifle imagination.
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Post by Quendil on Feb 22, 2016 18:05:38 GMT
If you wanted to do that, that would be fine. You can make up your own background and just use the rules. If someones world view is that the Martian invasion was mainly in Europe and the USA were the ones coming to the aid there is nothing wrong with that. However trying to push your own point of view on other people is not on, this is a fictional game and people can change it however they want. Unfortunately I have seen on too many forums gamers/hobbyists banging on about cannon which apart from putting people off will also stifle imagination. and you misunderstood I have no problem with new fluff, only that it stays within the base fluff itself and doesn't not deviate so far out of it. Then you do have a problem, as I said people can change things to how they see fit.
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Post by scottwashburn on Feb 22, 2016 18:14:44 GMT
One thing we need to keep in mind is that 1) Ernie had a limited amount of room in the rulebook for background fluff, and 2) Ernie was publishing a wargame, not an alternate history novel. In discussions with him he admitted that he had to simplify many things and not mention (or even figure out) a lot of the details. So when he says that the Martians had overrun Africa and South America and such, he meant that they had crushed most of the serious organized resistance. But there simply aren't enough of them to garrison or even destroy every city and town in those vast regions. So there could be plenty of places the Martians bypassed or just passed through briefly that are still in human hands. Of course the later the time period you are playing the fewer of those places there are going to be as the Martians increase their numbers. So, in 1908-1910 there could still be French Foreign Legion troops helping hold onto Algiers, but by 1914 they are all gone. Bottom line: We do have some flexibility.
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Post by Quendil on Feb 22, 2016 18:39:22 GMT
Then you do have a problem, as I said people can change things to how they see fit. and it would not be fluff I'd be interested in if it goes against the base fluff. it would be like if Ian Fleming half way thru the Book changed James Bond From an English Spy to a Polynesian Spy. Not really it would be like someone writing a new book with James Bond being a Polynesian. Anyway I think the discussion has run its course.
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Post by dawgofflanders on Mar 6, 2016 18:41:21 GMT
Great thread. I like the ideas put forward. Each individual can add their ideas and take on the 'history' of the Martian war. We were hooked by the local connection in the rules, the Siege of Winnipeg (our home town). Our local group has fought several engagements. The U.S./ Canadian forces have won most of the fights or at least forced a draw. So we have been thinking about a Human offensive to re-take lost land. Most of my post-grad work was on the Second Empire and the French Republic up to and including World War One. I think France had significant industrial power, lots of important colonies (Indochina) and sometimes, good, sound military thinking. Foreign Legion flying columns were used to fight against North Africans to good success. Algeria was a part of Metropolitan France and would have been well defended with regulars from the mainland and the use of the considerable French Navy. I'm not sure how an un-holy alliance would work, but German interests, following up their Austrian allies may end up more towards the east and Balkans and assisting Turkey. a considerable force of Germans went to Palestine in our time during World War One, so its possible. We also can't forget Spain's African possessions, Italy and the Belgian Congo.
I don't want to spark and argument, just my thoughts and my take on a very interesting alternate world.
Whatever you think of my ramblings, enjoy your gaming! Have a great time.
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Post by Quendil on Mar 8, 2016 10:36:11 GMT
Great thread. I like the ideas put forward. Each individual can add their ideas and take on the 'history' of the Martian war. We were hooked by the local connection in the rules, the Siege of Winnipeg (our home town). Our local group has fought several engagements. The U.S./ Canadian forces have won most of the fights or at least forced a draw. So we have been thinking about a Human offensive to re-take lost land. Most of my post-grad work was on the Second Empire and the French Republic up to and including World War One. I think France had significant industrial power, lots of important colonies (Indochina) and sometimes, good, sound military thinking. Foreign Legion flying columns were used to fight against North Africans to good success. Algeria was a part of Metropolitan France and would have been well defended with regulars from the mainland and the use of the considerable French Navy. I'm not sure how an un-holy alliance would work, but German interests, following up their Austrian allies may end up more towards the east and Balkans and assisting Turkey. a considerable force of Germans went to Palestine in our time during World War One, so its possible. We also can't forget Spain's African possessions, Italy and the Belgian Congo.
I don't want to spark and argument, just my thoughts and my take on a very interesting alternate world.
Whatever you think of my ramblings, enjoy your gaming! Have a great time. Its great that people want to expand the setting. The rulebook was not that specific in the rest of the world it just had general summaries so go with what you wish. At the end of the day it is a fictional game so play it how you enjoy it.
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Post by madmorgan on Mar 8, 2016 19:25:35 GMT
Great thread. I like the ideas put forward. Each individual can add their ideas and take on the 'history' of the Martian war. We were hooked by the local connection in the rules, the Siege of Winnipeg (our home town). Our local group has fought several engagements. The U.S./ Canadian forces have won most of the fights or at least forced a draw. So we have been thinking about a Human offensive to re-take lost land. Most of my post-grad work was on the Second Empire and the French Republic up to and including World War One. I think France had significant industrial power, lots of important colonies (Indochina) and sometimes, good, sound military thinking. Foreign Legion flying columns were used to fight against North Africans to good success. Algeria was a part of Metropolitan France and would have been well defended with regulars from the mainland and the use of the considerable French Navy. I'm not sure how an un-holy alliance would work, but German interests, following up their Austrian allies may end up more towards the east and Balkans and assisting Turkey. a considerable force of Germans went to Palestine in our time during World War One, so its possible. We also can't forget Spain's African possessions, Italy and the Belgian Congo.
I don't want to spark and argument, just my thoughts and my take on a very interesting alternate world.
Whatever you think of my ramblings, enjoy your gaming! Have a great time. Wonderful to have someone who has a deep solid knowledge of IRL WW1 holdings and colonies. The Germans in Palestine is a great idea for a scenario design as all those Prussian/German forces we could use!! Lets not overlook the Spainish and particularly the Italians & Belgians. I forseen a nice group of scenarios using FoW 15mm figures as well as Peter Pigs huge line. More games to us, buckaroo!
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Post by Quendil on Mar 8, 2016 19:29:19 GMT
I love the idea of bringing in s many different nations to the fight. How I will ever find the time to paint them though. After I have done my Canadians and Prussians I am thinking of going for some Australian and New Zealand troops
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Post by madmorgan on Mar 8, 2016 19:30:58 GMT
Don't forget to look at Eurekas WW2 '15mm' figures - their actually 18mm and work great for most Aussie/NZ troops you'd want (save artillery pieces and tanks of coarse).
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Post by Quendil on Mar 8, 2016 19:32:24 GMT
I was thinking of using the Slave2Gaming British for them
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Post by madmorgan on Mar 8, 2016 19:34:17 GMT
Of coarse - a natural. Looking forward to your paint job on them. One of the advantages of the Eureka figures are their hats but, for AQ, I'd think the pratical Aussie/NZ would go full gasmasks!
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