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Post by boxholder on Mar 7, 2016 17:27:58 GMT
Good point about the evolution of naval designs. However if you look at the Amphritite, it is clearly a low freeboard double turret monitor design. It just has a larger superstructure amidships. The same modular approach to modleling can apply.  Also, some classic monitors were in service much later. Russian copies of the Passaic class were in service into the 1920's. Cannonicus were in service with Peru until 1898 and the Onandaga was in service with France until 1902. So, even these were not necessarily out of service during the early 1900's. The first Martian invasion might have led to longer service life (desperation measure). Or not, if they were more quickly replaced. It is a maxim that "You fight with what you have, not with what you want." Humans are in that boat. (Please pardon the pun) |
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Post by scottwashburn on Mar 7, 2016 18:07:39 GMT
Yes, the Amphitrite was exactly what I had in mind. But IMHO it looks more like a pre-dreadnought battleship than a CW-era monitor. Much lower freeboard than a sea-going battleship, of course. But what you say is true, so pretty much anything goes.
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Post by madmorgan on Mar 7, 2016 23:05:02 GMT
I'm good with whatever scott decides, having the ships will be a big boost. As for the naval architecture, I agree heartly that there was much improvement over the period between the ACW and Martian War - however, I'm sticking with using ACW models upgunned and updated as a base for lots of models and river uses and keeping the IRL WW1 craft as 'modern' with better guns than a ACW could ever hope to have. The ACW monitors, for example have 6" & 7" guns - the 'modern' as has been pointed out could have up to 12" depending on design.
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Post by loyalist on Mar 8, 2016 1:38:11 GMT
USN ACW Monitor Armament:
USS Monitor 2 x 11" guns
USS Onondaga 2 x 15", 2 x 150 pdr MLR 'rifles'
Canonicus Class 2 x 15" guns
Passaic Class 1 x 11", 1 x 15" (Comanche had 2 x 15")
Monadnock Class 4 x 15" guns
USS Dictator 2 x 15" guns
Confederate Armored Ships:
Tremendous variety of guns - depended on whatever was available. Most ships carried multiple guns of various caliber from 6" to 11", but mostly in the 7"-9" range.
It's worth remembering that many of the ACW ships were built from materials of sub-optimum quality, particularly the Confederate ironclads, and would not have had a long life.
(Source: 'Civil War Navies 1855-1883', P.H. Silverstone, Naval Institute Press)
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Post by boxholder on Mar 8, 2016 1:49:22 GMT
You are 100% right about the Confederate ironclads, loyalist. They were extemporized with whatever was available. Some even had wooden gears in the engines. They probably would not have survived to the century turned.
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Post by madmorgan on Mar 8, 2016 12:34:22 GMT
Agreed. The ACW ships I'm purposing are remodeled with better materials, upgraded to 1900s status machines. You don't have to use them of coarse. Its just a different spin and puts alot more models available for use in the game.
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Post by madmorgan on Jul 18, 2016 14:15:02 GMT
I did my 'Ships' thread on the basis of ACW designs - I've got both styles you show above outfitted for AQ game in 15 mm formats from Old Glory (resin with metal guns) and simply declare the guns to be 6" or 7" or whatever you'd think would fit. I'm working on the idea of a single 12", extending the models gun for the right look. There are a number of really nice models out there in 1:600 and smaller for those using the scaled fire table on the Ships article.
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