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Post by hardlec on Aug 18, 2016 16:20:51 GMT
It is the Burgess-Dunne Flying Wing. Appearance-wise, the B-D wing has a steampunk feel. It looks cool. With a little modification, the historical craft is well suited to the various missions needed to fight Martians. As a float plane, with wheels added, it can take off and land almost anywhere. By enlarging the main pontoon and blending it with the crew nacelle, there is space for bombs or 3-4 machine guns for combat missions. It may even be possible to have a version that can be launched from a dirigible.
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Post by scottwashburn on Aug 18, 2016 18:38:41 GMT
Cool!
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Post by boxholder on Aug 19, 2016 11:18:50 GMT
Quite nifty. A flying wing concept from the turn of the century. Here is the "airbase" for it:
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Post by madmorgan on Aug 19, 2016 11:51:23 GMT
Wow great stuff guys. Okay hardlec, where do you find a model for that. And boxholder, same question!? Btw, you think the movie makers of GI Joe and the various Avengers saw that and based their 'flying carrier' off the idea?? BTW, I've fought some very similar models among Spartan's Dystopia Wars figures. They're on a small scale (1:1200 I think), but they all are a variation of the above concept.
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Post by hardlec on Aug 19, 2016 12:00:51 GMT
Fiddlers Green has a paper model. It needs modification. I think the airship as aircraft carrier idea was stolen by G.I. Joe and the Avengers.
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Post by boxholder on Aug 19, 2016 13:15:00 GMT
Concur with hardlec.
A card/paper model dirigible could be modified readily to incorporate the flight deck. Measure your kit and print up a flight deck to replace the upper half of the hull. Don't forget this guy: FREE zeppelin models - British, German, and Russian - are available (print and assembly required):
currell.net/models/mod_free.htm
You can't beat the price.
The aerial carrier was also a key part in the movie "Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow."
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Post by David N.Tanner 07011959 on Aug 19, 2016 14:58:58 GMT
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Post by scottwashburn on Aug 19, 2016 16:36:36 GMT
Is this an actual historical aircraft? Who made it?
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Post by boxholder on Aug 19, 2016 21:16:27 GMT
Definitely were built and flown. From Wikipedia: Burgess-Dunne The Burgess Company and Curtiss, based in Marblehead, Mass, USA gained the US manufacturing rights and built a series of aircraft based on the D.8. They became known as Burgess-Dunne machines and were mostly single-float planes. The first flew in March 1914,[13] piloted by Clifford Webster. Apart from wingtip floats the wings were identical to those of the D8, but the fuselage was revised with a distinct nacelle containing a more enclosed cockpit. The aircraft was a single-seater, with the heavier 100 hp (75 kW) Curtiss OXX2 water-cooled engine moved forwards, shortening the fuselage and with its radiator placed between engine and pilot. The single float was 17 ft 8 in (5.38 m) long, shallow and flat bottomed viewed from in front, with a single step. The prototype behaved well in the air and on the water.[14] The second machine was very similar to the first, but room was made for a second seat by replacing the single fuselage mounted radiator with a pair fixed to the rear float struts.[13] The second machine was bought by the Canadian government for the Canadian Aviation Corps and was their first military aircraft. It was shipped to Europe for service in World War I, but was seriously damaged in transit and not used. The third machine, another two-seater but powered[15] by a Salmson M-9 radial providing 135 hp (101 kW), was delivered to the US Signal Corps in either 1914 or 1915.[16] Two were also delivered to the US Navy[17] as type AH-7, fitted with a 90 hp (67 kW) Curtiss engine[15] and AH-10 with the 100 hp Curtiss. The latter set a US altitude record of 10,000 fft (3,050 m) on 23 April 1915.[15] One Burgess-Dunne was configured as a landplane for a time.[18][19] The Burgess-Dunne types were[20] BDI - as the prototype. BD - as the second aircraft, first aimed at the military market then as a sports plane.[15] BDH - a two-seater with a 140 hp (100 kW) Sturtevant V-8 engine[15] and a slightly increased span (46 ft; 14 m). BDF - a three-seat, flying boat variant with the Curtiss engine but a span increased to 53 ft (16 m).
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Post by madmorgan on Aug 20, 2016 10:59:51 GMT
Nice! I'll have to work up and add to my airplane stats - especially for the use by US & Canadian forces.
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Post by scottwashburn on Aug 20, 2016 12:41:30 GMT
Hmm, a quick paper model might be possible...
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Post by hardlec on Aug 20, 2016 13:51:36 GMT
The Burgess-Dunne was considered too stable in flight to contend with fighters. There are no fighters. Stability makes it a great bomber, a great aerial photographer, and a better platform for other missions. Put 3 or 4 machine guns in the pontoon and she can fly circles around a tripod like"Puff the Magic Dragon."
The idea of a Vic of four coming off a Dirigible Aircraft Carrier make me warm and fuzzy. 😂
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Post by madmorgan on Aug 21, 2016 8:35:16 GMT
Yes - Paper Terrain models of this plane would be rad for AQ!! I like it - Colonel Patton says "Do It!".
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Post by scottwashburn on Aug 21, 2016 11:56:10 GMT
I think I shall give it a try. Now, what COLOR do you think they should be? Camouflage would be their only defense so I'd think they'd want it to be as good as possible. They are only worried about ground fire, so I'm thinking of a blue-gray sky color. What do you think?
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Post by boxholder on Aug 21, 2016 12:20:44 GMT
Air superiority blue - Yes, an excellent choice, as it was for the F-15. A bit lighter shade than you might think at first, since airplanes usually appear as dark shapes against the brighter sky. The lighter shade will also work well with clouds as the background.
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