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Post by slave2gaming on Apr 7, 2016 9:44:47 GMT
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Post by slave2gaming on Apr 7, 2016 9:46:26 GMT
Sorry, only put up the video links, Heres two pics
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Post by loyalist on Apr 7, 2016 15:19:21 GMT
I did some reading about Mk IIs and IIIs. They were delegated to training roles initially, being essentially unarmoured, but against advice were sent to France and used in battle where many were knocked out by armour piercing HMG bullets. In 18mm scale they will be longer than the plastic AQotMF tanks but narrower.
In real life attempts to convert the similar sized Mk IV to troop carriers were unsuccessful due to cramped space and noxious fumes in the tank. Would it be possible to make your troop carrier version wider (say 25mm between the tracks) so it would represent an modified version with significantly more internal space for troops, and would also allow the artillery compartment from the Mk II Artillery steamers to be installed on the roof?
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Post by slave2gaming on Apr 7, 2016 23:17:08 GMT
This was actually designed off the Mk 4 male, but it was giver a AQMF name, they are pretty similar.
There is a plan for a wider body in the future, and the transport doors should fit this, the model is multi part; sponsons, doors or engine covers fit on the side, you'll just order the specific model that you are after.
So in the future with the wider hull (which is hollow), you'll still get the basic tracks and the specific wepons upgrade you want, but the body will be wider.
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Post by loyalist on Apr 7, 2016 23:31:49 GMT
That's great news Drew. I'll need half a dozen of the wide bodied version.
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Post by slave2gaming on Apr 8, 2016 1:55:59 GMT
It may not be straight away though, I need to see how the basic sets go first before expanding too far. I don't want to go down the AD direction
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Post by madmorgan on Apr 8, 2016 9:36:29 GMT
Yes! Wonderful stuff. A few questions before I head over to the facebook page. 1) The crew compartment for the top gun (3"?4"?) look a bit small don't you think? The MG position is fine, but the recoil system could be a problem - if it isn't taken care of by the 'folding tube' nature of the gun barrel. It does look like firing half its length recoils into itself. 2) I'm sure the FB page will clear up, but, what is the fuel used please?? I don't see a steam style setup so is this a new generation of oil burners? What is the setup on its back?? Forgive me if this is answered in the FB version. 3) Do the sponsons have rear arc'd guns as well as the front ones - two guns per sponson, one fore facing & one aft?? I'll head over to FB next - if these have been answered its all good. This is extremely exciting news; I particularly like the 'hollow' casting - less weight to ship all the better. Thank you all again.
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Post by madmorgan on Apr 8, 2016 9:42:40 GMT
Okay the video images took care of question 3). I like the MkII transport, but would have it with a MG only, unless you have the recoil setup as a folding gun situation. I'm good with that btw - these will be 'next generation' types and I love the designs and crisp look. Especially if those are gas/oil driven vs steam. Looking forward to more. My order for May is growing rather large now!! All those gasmasked trooper in carriers! Sweet!
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Post by loyalist on Apr 8, 2016 13:04:45 GMT
From my on-line research the S2G tanks appear to be accurate replicas of British WWI tank hulls, which explains why the crew compartment is quite narrow and also why the Mk V* failed in the real world as a troop carrier. According to Wikipedia the cramped space and toxic fumes made infantry ill very quickly. The maximum width of the tanks over the sponsons was only 14 feet, which gives you an idea how narrow the crew compartment was.
All the British tanks from MK II - V had similar dimensions. The Mk V** was stretched to be a better troop carrier than the V* but tended to throw its tracks due to the change in length/width ratio. That's why I suggested a much wider hull between the tracks (25 vs 14mm) for the troop carrier version instead of a longer hull.
The 2 HMGs in each sponson on the female tanks had approximately 90 degree arcs of fire, one to the front and the other to the rear.
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Post by slave2gaming on Apr 9, 2016 21:45:31 GMT
Yep, loyalist is right, the design is based of the WWI Mark 4. My idea was to start with the basic Mk4 body (which is quite narrow) and call that a Mk2 & Mk3 for AQMF, while still being historically accurate for the Dark World War range (if Mike chooses to go this way in the future). So with the Mk2 & 3 having this size hull, you would see a wider version for the Mk4 hull in the future. The plan being that say the Mk2/3 body might hold one stand of cramped British troops, a Mk4 might hold a whole unit. The advantage of the Mk2 would come in being cheaper and more firepower. All guns are seperate parts and interchangeable, so you will be able order the either the 3 cannons or the 3 MG's to suit what you want to do, or mix n match. The option of MG for the transport will really be up to you guys, both the Mk2's will only come with one weapon and hopefully be a bit cheaper because of this, but you can choose which one to order. The guns won't have a rear arc firing ability, this tended to be a flaw with the WWI British tanks, but I guess that could be something for our Mk4...? Being based on the historical figures, I'd probably go the direction of the oil burners. To be honest I hadn't actually thought too much about that, but it might fit them nicely with the idea of their size. They will be bigger than the AQMF tanks. hope that helps
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Post by loyalist on Apr 10, 2016 2:50:59 GMT
Thanks Drew, I'm looking forward to buying your tanks (and British Cavalry).
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Post by slave2gaming on Apr 10, 2016 5:22:05 GMT
Thanks Drew, I'm looking forward to buying your tanks (and British Cavalry). My apologies for the time taken for the Cavalry, looks like the British will be done first. We had a discussion about molding them the other day, but with Salute having come up Mike was making up a lot of molds, so he wouldn't commit to an exact date of having them molded. As for the Tanks, I'm waiting for the other tank (...the hint is that it's not for the British!) design to come through, then I'll get them both printed and then they will be sent to to be Molded and first runs will begin. I'm hoping for around two to four weeks time (hopefully).
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Post by madmorgan on Apr 11, 2016 19:47:34 GMT
Looking forward to the cavalry soon and the tanks in the future. The unique, forward arc of the BR tanks is cool in a way, creating a little more game tactics regarding manuever. I've been really sick lately - on the mend and back in force tomorrow I hope. Cheers
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