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Post by Quendil on Jul 11, 2018 9:30:16 GMT
For all you history buffs and actual veterans of the conflict, there is a new series in the Vietnam War by Ken Burns on Netflix. I have watched many of his other documentaries and enjoyed them. This one is in the same style and would recommend it.
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Post by madmorgan on Jul 12, 2018 11:29:49 GMT
It was available some time ago on the History Channel - and was well done. For those new to watching, I was stationed on A4 (between Firebase Fuller and Firebase Sarge when the VN army invaded SVN. They put over 3,000 rounds into the base before we got out. We knew we were in trouble went the first round took out the water tower - it was their triangulation point for firing on the base. You have 42 seconds to take a dump outside - the time the round took to get there from across the DMZ. One of my most vivid memories is the thought that I hoped the back door was shut on the Huey. You see, I was running down the hill opposite the side the T-34-85s were coming up; heading for the hovering copter with its gunner door open. A jump to freedom and safety with a nagging concern that if that back door wasn't shut, I'd slide right on out and on down the hill!! ...And I had fun, fun, fun till the back door takes the safety away... [sorry Beach Boys]
As to the Burns work, I was surprised at the amount of classified documents/pics/film released and very glad to see a major amount of work on the pre-Hanoi years of Ho. Unlike a lot of vets, my ASA clearance status still prevents me from ever travelling to Nam. Not that I'd want to meet anyone that I worked/fought against. I do have contact with some local folks who were RVN survivors - we as a country might be all right with the Vietnam of today, but, I'll never be having heard first had accounts from people and their families the VC got their hands on.
Just a vets 2 cents worth - sorry for the soapbox...
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Post by Quendil on Jul 13, 2018 15:34:16 GMT
It was available some time ago on the History Channel - and was well done. For those new to watching, I was stationed on A4 (between Firebase Fuller and Firebase Sarge when the VN army invaded SVN. They put over 3,000 rounds into the base before we got out. We knew we were in trouble went the first round took out the water tower - it was their triangulation point for firing on the base. You have 42 seconds to take a dump outside - the time the round took to get there from across the DMZ. One of my most vivid memories is the thought that I hoped the back door was shut on the Huey. You see, I was running down the hill opposite the side the T-34-85s were coming up; heading for the hovering copter with its gunner door open. A jump to freedom and safety with a nagging concern that if that back door wasn't shut, I'd slide right on out and on down the hill!! ...And I had fun, fun, fun till the back door takes the safety away... [sorry Beach Boys] As to the Burns work, I was surprised at the amount of classified documents/pics/film released and very glad to see a major amount of work on the pre-Hanoi years of Ho. Unlike a lot of vets, my ASA clearance status still prevents me from ever travelling to Nam. Not that I'd want to meet anyone that I worked/fought against. I do have contact with some local folks who were RVN survivors - we as a country might be all right with the Vietnam of today, but, I'll never be having heard first had accounts from people and their families the VC got their hands on. Just a vets 2 cents worth - sorry for the soapbox... That no soapbox, lots of Veterans have understandable issues with wars that they were involved in. My Great Grandad was captured at the Somme and never trusted Germans afterwards, my Great Uncle fought in Burma and would not buy Japanese goods or have anything to to with them after what he saw.
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Post by boxholder on Jul 14, 2018 12:17:28 GMT
And other vets shrugged it off eventually.
My father was a crewmember on B-24's. Shot down and survived crashlandings twice. Wounded twice. Interned briefly by the Russians (supposedly our allies). Came home and went to college for his PhD. He worked with Germans in the US space program and had quite a bit of respect for them, as well as observations on some of their amusing behaviors. He even bought a 1962 Volkswagen beetle that we all learned to drive and kept for 200,000+ miles.
Conversely, my high school history teacher had fought in the Pacific. He had AB-SO-LUTE-LY nothing good to say about the Japanese or Japan.
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Post by madmorgan on Jul 15, 2018 8:29:08 GMT
A veterans reflection on a war is as varied as are people. Like a box of chocolates...
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Post by mikedski on Jul 15, 2018 9:53:21 GMT
My father was an infantry squad leader during the retaking of the Philippines in 1944. He told hellacious stories of the fighting. After being wounded and recovery ended up in occupation duty in Hokkaido, Japan. He then developed a great respect and appreciation for the Japanese people
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Post by hardlec on Jul 25, 2018 22:43:10 GMT
Strangely, I have more in common with some of my cold war opponents than I do with non-veterans.
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Post by boxholder on Jul 27, 2018 19:14:58 GMT
Understandable because of shared experiences in the service. Some features of service life are universal across cultures. Those who never were in any service do not really appreciate how it changes the life outlook. (The exception is close family and spouses.)
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Post by hardlec on Jul 27, 2018 21:34:02 GMT
My Brothers and I are all veterans, as is my Brother in Law. We all have high level clearances and were all involved in things we can't talk about, except to each other.
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Post by boxholder on Jul 28, 2018 13:16:13 GMT
Thanks to you and your family.
VA estimates that only about 7% of the US population is now or has ever been in the service. And Army Recruiting Command estimates that less than 0.5% of the potential recruiting pool considers service to be desirable. Fortunately, that small number seems to be enough, even though the few become even fewer.
"I must study politics and war so that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce, and agriculture, in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain." -John Adams
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Post by madmorgan on Jul 28, 2018 18:34:08 GMT
Yeah, I had a Top Secret Crypto for a number of years, worked at NSA post Vietnam, etc. Loved the work and probably should of applied to NSA when I got out. My ex-wife changed all that for me. Adams was right - we serve that others may make the world a better place.
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Post by hardlec on Jul 29, 2018 19:52:49 GMT
As a Veteran:
I stood between Home and Harm and faced the danger. I gave my sweat, my tears my blood and even my very life. Because I hate war and all its horror Because I love Peace.
Most of my nieces and nephews have served and are serving.
I thank my fellow veterans, but I also honor the civilians who also shed their tears and blood, and even their lives, to build a world that makes peace worth the price.
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Post by boxholder on Jul 29, 2018 21:16:31 GMT
Some feel the call more than others. Fortunately for the country, enough answer. Having vets in the family certainly raises the awareness of those around them.
Interestingly, in STARSHIP TROOPERS' vision of the future, only veterans were permitted to vote. Rationale was that only those willing to sacrifie and serve, deserved a votiing full citizenship.
Thanks to all veterans, where ever you served and whatever your assignments
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Post by madmorgan on Jul 31, 2018 8:33:06 GMT
I've always found the concept of one serves, one vote fascinating - do you realize the number of people who this would disenfranchise! I found the movie distasteful at first - they don't get into real ST suits until number 3 - but, grew to like it as an alternate narration of the whole story. They did a fine game of miniatures based on it and as I've noted before, the distributors basically killed it with their allocation process.
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Post by boxholder on Jul 31, 2018 11:43:22 GMT
I never knew what happened to Starship Troopers miniatures. I know of only one store that ever had them. Thanks for the bit of history
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