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Post by Admin on Dec 18, 2015 15:27:56 GMT
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Post by loyalist on Dec 22, 2015 2:34:21 GMT
Were stats ever published for the Goliath? If not it might be useful to develop them via this forum in case someone decides to scratch-build one.
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Post by Quendil on Dec 22, 2015 8:43:58 GMT
The Goliath and Thunderchild were in the hardback rulebook, I think there may have been some FAQs under general rules
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Post by loyalist on Dec 22, 2015 11:00:57 GMT
I got the hardback rulebook yesterday; there are stats for the Thunderchild II but I couldn't find any for the Goliath, though it is mentioned.
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Post by loyalist on Dec 22, 2015 13:06:07 GMT
On a closer review at the book I found the Goliath rules on page 108. I wsa thinking of scratchbuilding it but can't find suitable wheels that large. Zinge Industries makes a similar looking wheel but it's only 25mm in diameter. Maybe I'll do a smaller version of the Goliath with a 9.2" British naval gun.
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Post by loyalist on Dec 22, 2015 22:13:11 GMT
I've realized my question should have been in the US rules thread. For some reason before getting the rule book I thought the Goliath was British.
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Post by madmorgan on Mar 14, 2016 11:08:44 GMT
I like the idea of the 9.2" gun, as even with the 12" available, it was more favored by the British Navy commanders for its more rapid fire. Will look forward to what you come up with. That mortar is awesome, with its 'stun' capability and overall power. I feel like a different design away from the AD is in order. More like some of the Spartan vehicles with their large 'mortar' like vehicles.
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Post by loyalist on Jun 21, 2016 1:19:18 GMT
It seems only the British have units that can skirmish: Ghurkas and Home Defense units.
Does anyone know how long the skirmisher bases are supposed to be? Probably the standard 20mm wide but the rules don't say if the length is 50 mm (1/2 the length of a standard infantry element base) or only 40mm because there are only 2 figures per base and two combine to form an element when not skirmishing.
I'm thinking of adding a unit of Ghurkas to my BEF force, and maybe some frontier skirmishing units to my Canadian force.
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Post by talbot on Jun 21, 2016 1:31:15 GMT
It seems only the British have units that can skirmish: Ghurkas and Home Defense units. Does anyone know how long the skirmisher bases are supposed to be? Probably the standard 20mm wide but the rules don't say if the length is 50 mm (1/2 the length of a standard infantry element base) or only 40mm because there are only 2 figures per base and two combine to form an element when not skirmishing. I'm thinking of adding a unit of Ghurkas to my BEF force, and maybe some frontier skirmishing units to my Canadian force. I was also wondering about the dimensions of the base sizes. I couldn't make out if they were 40mm by 20mm. I would really like to see some Gurkhas not sure on the models to use.
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Post by loyalist on Jun 21, 2016 4:49:18 GMT
Use the Blue Moon 15/18mm British Colonial Northwest Frontier models. Same scale as the AD figures.
AD sold quite a few re-named Blue Moon figures: 'Ragers' (BM zombies), Colonial Indian infantry and Bengal Lancers, Sudanese/Egyptian troops.
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Post by talbot on Jun 21, 2016 5:58:06 GMT
I was wondering what they were under I bought some of the Bengal Lancers from Ebay so I didn't know they were under the Colonial tab on Blue Moon. Looking back it makes sense history wise. I'm eyeballing those Gurkhas they have, but I think they need bush hats.
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Post by madmorgan on Jun 22, 2016 12:34:14 GMT
Don't overlook the SCG "gun" section - theres some nice variations for machine guns and artillery there. As far as I can tell the stands for skirmishing appear to be based on the 'standard' 100mm stand used in the infantry squads (3 total per squad). I'm on the fence on this as I use smaller stands for almost all of my troops, finding the long 100mm too restrictive for buildings, tree lines, trenches, etc. But, as AD used 5 figures per 'stand', I suspect the intention was 2 figures on a 50mm stand - somehow, combining for assaults into a 5 figure/100mm stand ?? I base on a 1 figure per 20mm length, thus having a usual squad of 3 sets of (2) 40x20mm 2 figure stands and (1) 20x20mm 1 figure stand. For the skirmishers, I simply use two 40x20s, with the 2cm gap for skirmish line - much easier and eye pleasing when they combine to do an assault. Of coarse the British are 10 man squads, so its even easier to envision for the colonial troops. After rereading the above, I realized that the whole 100mm stand is a non-issue as the 3 element squads are USA - although this would be the basis for skirmishing USA units after all. Skirmish lines have been universal for hundreds of years prior to WW1 and the American Revolution period saw them gain favor with US forces. Its not possible that there wouldn't be a use of skirmishers in the AQ USA forces, particularly in the marshes of LA and forests of MI, etc. Summation: for USA forces either 1/ two stands of 2 figures 50mm ec or 2/two stands of 2 figures 40mm ec For British and Colonial 1/two stands of 2 figures 50mm ec or 2/two stands of 2 figures 40mm ec
The above is based on full strength units. I contend that a majority of later year battles units can be 'thinner' with less troops per squad represented on the table. Using a basic 1 infantry figure requires a minimum 20x20mm base, it is easy to show reduced units with elements below strength. There is also some savings in figure cost, if for example, you have a 60% unit of infantry that now has only 3 figures per stands vs 5 at full strength. For one box of 15 infantry you get 5 elements vs 3. Even at 80% strength, your squad of 12 figures can be represented by 3 elements of 4 figures each. Which also works well for the above skirmisher units. I'll submit a worked up TO&E of the LA Tigers elite militia unit, who use extensive skirmishing tactics in their home swamps and marches of LA.
Cheers!
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Post by loyalist on Jun 22, 2016 13:27:09 GMT
Although the BEF troops are in 10 man squads (to fit in the Cardigan carriers) the Colonial and Home Guard troops are in 15 man squads as per the AD BEF rules expansion document reproduced on this site.
In the same document the Skirmisher units are specifically 12 man units that have 3 elements, each of two 2 man stands that combine to make a 4 man stand versus 5 in a standard infantry unit. They have the same fire power as a 5 man element.
I intend to base them on 20 x 40 mm stands after I've done the math to see if Skirmishers are worth using instead of standard troops.
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Post by madmorgan on Jun 24, 2016 10:58:45 GMT
I suspect the skirmishers will be a favored formation based on the terrain of a given battle. The difficult terrain being a nice 'drag' on the tripods movement (as well as most human units), the skirmishers give the human player an option to combat the Martian 'infantry' on more favorable terms with better mobility - then reforming into 'standard' lines to fire and melee. This will be especially true for the battles in and around New Orleans and any other areas with marsh/swamp or heavily wooded terrain. Even in towns & cities the ability to move quickly to a new position can be very handy.
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Post by loyalist on Jun 24, 2016 11:10:49 GMT
According to the Skirmish rules in the British supplement there is no movement advantage for skirmishers versus infantry in standard formation. They can cover a broader front while dispersed but their mobility is the same and they are harder to hit due to the saving throw.
I just checked the Renedra website - they don't make 20 x 50mm bases but do make 20 x 40mm.
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