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Post by loyalist on Sept 16, 2016 2:23:05 GMT
My second and larger order of British cavalry arrived from S2G today. This time I got a 3rd unit of lancers, 3 units of cavalry with swords and rifles (in holsters like the lancers' rifles) and a second mounted command unit of 3 figures.
The step associated with the mould line across the helmets was less pronounced than on the lancers and was easily and quickly scraped off with a hobby blade - seconds per figure. Like the lancers there are 3 variants of swordsmen. I found the rear surface of the swords on 2 of the figure variants was a not smooth for some reason - easily fixed in seconds with a fine Swiss file. The swords are thin and must be completely supported by a finger while filing.
A few hours after the package arrived all of the cavalry have been based on Renedra 40 x 45mm bases and Liquitex basing material with fine resin 'sand' particles was applied, then sprinkled with Woodland Scenics fine railway ballast for more texture. The Liquitex was applied thickly to allow for shrinkage and will be dry within 48 hrs.
These cavalry figures are great. I now have 2 companies of 3 platoons each and 2 mounted command units, one of which may be used for an artillery or infantry command unit.
Drew added a complimentary set of Prussian figures: 2 infantry with rifles, 1 with a light MG, and an MG team. The HMG is a very nice model indeed. Too bad I don't have a Prussian force but they're so nice I'm thinking of a way to use them - maybe as a small Prussian observation/training unit attached to the BEF or Canadians. I could add a few more troops , perhaps based as skirmishers which I've yet to try, a junior officer and a couple of S2G Prussian tanks as transports.
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Post by madmorgan on Sept 20, 2016 10:33:15 GMT
Or you could start you're own Kings German Legion - volunteer Germans fighting for friends and families in USA. Those A7Vs look great for transports by the way - you could always include one 'gunned' version for support as well. Drew is wise beyond his years. Next week I can finally place my order & am looking forward to it. Can't wait to see you're paint job on those fellows. Chaaarrrrrgeeee! 
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Post by loyalist on Sept 20, 2016 17:55:15 GMT
I finished priming the cavalry figures yesterday with GW Chaos Black and will start painting them next week. Too much other stuff to do in the meantime.
Drew has suggested using a transport version of the A7V with only 3 MGs and no 57mm gun. In addition to 4 crew to run the tank the real A7V carried 12 infantry to fire the 6 MGs and 2 artillery crew to fire the main gun. We figured that with 3 MGs, the 57mm and their ammo removed the transport version could easily carry 15 troops who would deploy with one MG (i.e. an LMG) per element. I'm ordering more British tanks next but plan to order 2-3 A7V tanks, 1-2 Prussian infantry units and HMGs.
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Post by slave2gaming on Sept 20, 2016 22:52:17 GMT
Drew is wise beyond his years. Lol, you are one crazy guy!
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Post by slave2gaming on Sept 20, 2016 23:06:58 GMT
Drew has suggested using a transport version of the A7V with only 3 MGs and no 57mm gun. In addition to 4 crew to run the tank the real A7V carried 12 infantry to fire the 6 MGs and 2 artillery crew to fire the main gun. We figured that with 3 MGs, the 57mm and their ammo removed the transport version could easily carry 15 troops who would deploy with one MG (i.e. an LMG) per element. I'm ordering more British tanks next but plan to order 2-3 A7V tanks, 1-2 Prussian infantry units and HMGs. Yep, it was a crazy idea of mine that I could have my whole Prussian army mobile. As Loyalist said, You take the rear MGs out as well as the front gun, replace the gun in the front with another MG, have the transport option fitted and then your vehicle is simply a vehicle to move 1 unit (3stands) of Infantry & 1 MG unit. It drops them off and can head back for a refill. The plan was to run 3 of these + 3 support tanks. The tanks also have the option of removing the 6 MGs (this is what they actually did when they ditched) and using them as a defensive perimeter OR as another 2 MG units per tank. The tank can either stay and fire its main gun or return for more MGs This becomes a seriously fast and nasty company of infantry & MGs, with 3 infantry units on the ground + 9 units of MG's + potentially 3 main guns. I had planned to discuss it when the transports come out, but that's still a work in progress. What do you guys think of this nasty combo?
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Post by madmorgan on Sept 21, 2016 9:48:15 GMT
Awesome as usual. I'll work up something for my S2G units as well; the idea of 'dismounting' the MG for two further on the ground squads is good. Of coarse, my S2G are much harder hitting with their 'Mars Pattern' weapons, but is yet another great idea for S2Gs wonderful figures. I'll have another look at my S2G units and the possible 'upgrade' to full 15 man squads as you noted. Fun, Fun - just makes my end-of-month order get larger 
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Post by loyalist on Jan 19, 2017 20:38:10 GMT
I've finished painting the first 3 units of S2G cavalry, each of 6 cavalry figures on three 45 x 40mm bases, and a cavalry command unit of 3 figures. These are the sword and rifle-armed cavalry and were painted in the same uniform colours as regular British/Canadian infantry. (See the list of paints used in the WIP thread 'Western Canadian Force'.)
The cavalry turned out very nicely - I'll post photos on Sunday. Each unit of 6 took several hours to paint so it will be another week or two before the 3 units of S2G lancers and their command unit are done.
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Post by loyalist on Jan 21, 2017 2:55:09 GMT
After finding a lot of info about Canadian cavalry units pre-1914 this week I think the S2G cavalry figures are best used for regular forces a few years after Martians cross the Canadian border (which was in 1911 according to the 'fluff'). With their gas masks, steel helmets and shoulder, elbow and knee armour they are too well equipped to be Canadian militia cavalry units when the Martians first arrive.
The militia cavalry units had essentially the same uniforms as British cavalry and those did not change much from the 1880s until WWI. All Canadian hussar regiments copied the British 13th Hussars uniform and did not have unique facing colours - all were supposed to be buff but in fact looked white and were officially changed to white in 1909. Facing colour was on jacket cuffs, and from 1909 on collars and shoulder straps too. Uniforms were dark blue with gold (officer) or yellow (enlisted) lace, and white stripes (sometimes 2 thin ones) on the trouser legs. Boots were black. Dress uniform hat was a white pith helmet and non-dress a dark blue pill-box hat.
Dragoon regiments also copied British uniforms, all having scarlet tunics (dress and field) with dark blue cuffs and collars, and later (early 1900s) blue shoulder straps. Blue collars and shoulder straps had yellow borders. Pants were dark blue with a wide yellow stripe. Dress helmets were white pith helmets; some dress helmets had different coloured plumes specific to the regiment (usually a coloured plume over a white one). Boots were black and sword scabbards plain steel. Belt pouches, sword slings, belts and gauntlets were brown leather. Non-dress hats were dark blue pill-boxes like the hussars'.
Interestingly there's a pre-1914 photo of the Royal Canadian Dragoons carrying lances. The text states lances were carried "on some occasions, although not normally a weapon for dragoons".
The North West Mounted Police (later RCMP) had uniforms very similar to the dragoon regiments but gave up the white pith dress helmet around 1904. They usually wore stetson-like hats in the field and by the early 1900s those resembled the current Mountie, US Park Ranger and State Police hats.
The only 18mm cavalry suitable for representing Canadian cavalry in 1911 are made by Blue Moon. Their Colonial range contains both lancers and Dragoons with uniforms like the Canadian Dragoons pre-1914. The exceptions are that they are wearing leggings and pith helmets, but the latter would be more practical in the field than the tiny pill-box hats; all hussars and dragoons can be assumed to have been issued pith helmets for the Martian War, until later issue of steel infantry helmets and gas masks as worn by S2G cavalry.
The Blue Moon lancers and dragoons are in the Sudan Campaign section; suitable mounted officers are in that range and the Northwest Campaign (India) range. The sword-armed dragoons could be painted as hussars with dark blue instead of scarlet tunics.
The historical articles I found confirmed there were Gatling guns in western Canada in the 1880s but doesn't mention when they were withdrawn from service. This would be an opportunity to add some Black Hat Martian Empires 18mm Gatling guns to western Canadian militia units.
For now I'll use the S2G cavalry in early battles in the prairies but will replace them with Blue Moon cavalry to more accurately represent militia cavalry units in 1911. The S2G cavalry could then represent later Canadian or BEF cavalry units.
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Post by loyalist on Feb 16, 2017 7:26:16 GMT
Based on the above findings and because the dark blue hussar tunics and pants just didn't look right on my S2G lancers I repainted 2 units in WWI British infantry colours to match the 3 units of S2G dragoons with swords. The 3rd unit of lancers painted as Royal Canadian Dragoons with scarlet tunics and dark blue trousers looked very good so I left them in those colours.
I think the Blue Moon colonial cavalry horses may be smaller than S2G (they look smaller compared to their riders) so I'm going to wait for the release of the Black Hat British home service cavalry to use as early Martian War Canadian cavalry.
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Post by loyalist on Mar 6, 2017 20:11:10 GMT
Finally took some photos of S2G cavalry after adding Silfor grass tufts to the bases (737-22: 4mm tall, summer 2-colour): 3 units of lancers with command unit leading. The figures in scarlet tunics and blue trousers are Royal Canadian Dragoons (who did use lances at times - confirmed by early 1900s photo). The other two units are western Canadian militia cavalry.  3 units of dragoons with command unit. All have sabres and rifles and are painted like WWI British/Canadian infantry. These are militia units.  Massed dragoons.  Dragoons at the charge.  Lancers again. 
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Post by slave2gaming on Mar 7, 2017 2:46:16 GMT
Very cool! Love the Lancers.
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Post by madmorgan on Mar 7, 2017 13:48:11 GMT
beautiful job as always loyalist. excites me to think of my finally getting some S2G (sorry guys, times are tough) and how potent, with the weapon changes, i made will make my KGL units. hmmm cap lock seems to be malfunctioning. probably still shocked by the sight of the Overseer.
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