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Post by novista on Jul 8, 2016 7:17:37 GMT
i get the basic premise of how and why. However every time I think of the practicalities of a land based dazzle, the colours don't cut the mustard, practical yes (10 out 10, I love the ironclad that's painted dazzle that you can find online) wild and crazy (0-10). So do I go arty and use the original colours and patterns that are pleasing to my eye and come up with some fluff (to bluff) or go practical, I feel I may need to justify on the battlefield.
Help on the fluff would be great. Sea as a background is a difficult one, unless she (ironclad) is protecting an aquatic fort...
Thoughts please.
Edit. I'm now excited about the idea of an aquatic fort, "city of the lost children" Bioshock (FPS) or Nemesis (comic 2000 ad)
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Post by Quendil on Jul 8, 2016 7:32:11 GMT
Mine is still just undercoated green. I don't think I can pull off the dazzle pattern but would if I could.
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Post by novista on Jul 8, 2016 10:37:00 GMT
I wasn't thinking the more geometric ones, although they are funky. I prefer the abstract ones. Hoping that some clever masking will do the trick.
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Post by Quendil on Jul 8, 2016 10:50:07 GMT
I wasn't thinking the more geometric ones, although they are funky. I prefer the abstract ones. Hoping that some clever masking will do the trick. Look forward to seeing it. Can you take pictures as you progress  |
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Post by madmorgan on Jul 8, 2016 13:23:27 GMT
Yes it does sound interesting - don't be like me, a dinosaur of a phone that I can't use to take pictures with.
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Post by novista on Jul 8, 2016 15:14:37 GMT
I wasn't thinking the more geometric ones, although they are funky. I prefer the abstract ones. Hoping that some clever masking will do the trick. Look forward to seeing it. Can you take pictures as you progress Definitely, me an my airbrush are taking baby steps, so priming steamies, tripods and infantry at the moment. The latest Vallejo Metal Colour range, is aimed at straight out the brush, so although monochrome shiney tripods offends my realism modelling painting side. It should go some way in me practicing using the brush, with a beautiful finish, I can always jazz up the bases. Does anyone think that mud sticks to tripod feet? |
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Post by Quendil on Jul 8, 2016 15:26:55 GMT
Some types of mud would otherwise they wouldn't be bothered by boggy areas
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Post by boxholder on Jul 8, 2016 16:37:19 GMT
Most types of mud would stick or leave at minimum some kind of a smear.
The real problem for the tripod in boggy areas would be the tendency of the pointy legs to just keep sinking in the muck. Pretty soon the thing is up to its knees (or further) and other legs trying to pull it out will do the same.
Scott has a nice description of such an event in his book.
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Post by boxholder on Jul 8, 2016 16:47:34 GMT
Re: Dazzle paint. You can do some fairly elaborate dazzle by painting the object the base color and using decals for the overlying parts of the pattern. Decals can be made using PC printer (inkjet or laser) and any kind of drawing program, even PowerPoint. Color printers open up all kinds of schemes. Remember that dazzle was not meant to hide the object like mimetic (color match)camouflage. Dazzle was meant to confuse the perception of which way something was facing or moving and to disrupt the shape. Forward surfaces were painted with slightly darker base colors and recessed areas were painted brighter, the opposite of the way light interacts. Other markings, dark areas and false edges were added to try to confuse the viewer.    You can even find a number of black and white dazzle patterns to download. These can be resized and printed on white decal paper. Or print on clear to go over another color. You sure won't hide anything, but it is certainly confusing. Radar pretty well obsoleted this approach. Looks cool, though. |
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Post by madmorgan on Jul 9, 2016 13:51:17 GMT
I agree its a visual pop - but, I think that the Martian 'eye' technology is probably able to bypass the 'confusion' of. I think of their tech kinda like the "Predator" movie with them able to shift through various ranges, but it can be defeated by 'Ambush' units in natural cover (think 'mud' Arnold!).
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Post by boxholder on Jul 17, 2016 12:50:29 GMT
If you credit the Martian vision with too much capability, then even naturally camouflaged ambush becomes impossible. Dead and dying foliage will have a different infrared signature compared to healthy vegetation in the area. Dirt and mud applied to metal substrate will either be too hot or too cold in infrared compared with the ambient background.
It is possible that paints could alter the infrared response enough to be confusing.
It still really looks cool, whether it works in "reality" or not. But what reality? This is a game world. To steal a quote from the Mythbusters: "I reject your reality and replace it with my own."
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Post by madmorgan on Jul 17, 2016 13:31:02 GMT
Agreed - we'll just say that the Martian tech is good, but not good enough to spot an Ambush unit and limited by the Blips rule as well. After all, all those new 'sensor drones' and the Scientist should have some cool functions, right?
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Post by mikedski on Jul 17, 2016 17:57:05 GMT
If you credit the Martian vision with too much capability, then even naturally camouflaged ambush becomes impossible. Dead and dying foliage will have a different infrared signature compared to healthy vegetation in the area. Dirt and mud applied to metal substrate will either be too hot or too cold in infrared compared with the ambient background. It is possible that paints could alter the infrared response enough to be confusing. It still really looks cool, whether it works in "reality" or not. But what reality? This is a game world. To steal a quote from the Mythbusters: "I reject your reality and replace it with my own." I also do not discount the morale and esprit-de-corps of the paint and markings on fighting machines. |
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Post by boxholder on Jul 17, 2016 18:57:25 GMT
Yes indeed! A good obscene logo on the nose of your vehicle can be a morale booster and a message of defiance.
A land ironclad is pretty formidable looking in its own right. Painted up with a zebra dazzle, it conveys "I don't care if you see me. I am coming to kill you. Now figure out exactly which way I am pointed."
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Post by madmorgan on Jul 18, 2016 12:20:14 GMT
Here, here! I am in with the esprit-de-corps and defiance angle. Heh, heh, maybe a +1 Morale bonus to army morale rolls for a dazzled painted LIC on the board.  |
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