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Post by madmorgan on May 25, 2016 10:08:29 GMT
Openning up pages 114 to 132 for Changes to the AD rulebook. As before, this will remain open and I ask that only rules within the AD book or pdfs be 'changed'. If it is a new rule, please add to the Optional thread instead. Thank you.
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Post by tenchuu on Jun 1, 2016 1:14:04 GMT
P. 120 - Slaver Tripod: the range for Controller has, in the games I've played, been very limiting. Given that the range for Controller is 12", and the full movement of a drone is 12", a drone can easily move outside of control range in one turn. A 24" bubble is crippling when drones are intended to be screening units. It also means that a slaver tripod will need to be in range of most Earth guns in order to control drones and zombies. That's one dead slaver. I have two suggestions in this regard: one, increase control range to 18" or 24", and possibly limit the number of units it can control as a result. Maybe the more units it controls, the shorter its range (ie 4 units at range 24", 8 at 18", and 16 at 12", thus giving drones more free range but keeping zombies herded up). The second is to give a limited control range as a possible upgrade to standard assault tripods. Maybe for X points they can control zombies and drones within 6".
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Post by tenchuu on Jun 1, 2016 2:18:20 GMT
p. 120 - Gatherer Tripod: No self defense of any kind? Not even reaper tentacles? Makes more sense to at least have those to transfer victims. To that effect, why, logically, does the Harvester have them to transfer them to the Gatherer? The Gatherer can't actually Gather, and the Harvester feeds humans directly into the blender, so why would it transfer them to the unGatherer at all?
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Post by madmorgan on Jun 1, 2016 12:06:04 GMT
I'd already modified the Gatherer to have a medium or small heat ray as the figure I used for the Gatherer is Black Hat Miniatures Cephalod 'Handler' which had a small heat ray attached - I think I added points on for the heatray. The Gatherer was an early war entry and frankly was replaced by the Harvester, but AD wanted to keep the figure (which they never produced) of the Gatherer valid in the game, thus the weird rules about stuff. The Gatherer does gather - any unit with reaper tentacles (ei all the standard Drones for example) can transfer humans to the Gatherer cages. I think these are then destined for the Harvester. At least thats the way I read the rules for the Gatherer.
It should be noted that Black Hat is No Longer selling the cephalod walkers (tripods, handlers, etc.) seperately!! They want you to buy a set now and have in one move made it unlikely that I'll ever buy anymore from them. Not at GBP 60!
I was running a high fever on this (and other) postings - Q correctly pointed out that the individual walkers are indeed available under the Vehicle tab. I apologize to Black Hat & you all for these raving...
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Post by mikedski on Jun 3, 2016 11:09:16 GMT
page 117 Assault Tripod - Tentacles - Assault x1 - power 0 (rudimentary assault capability)
page 118 Scientist Tripod - Speed 4" 6"
page 120 Scout Tripod - Defense 6 7 (higher speed, smaller size, and better agility makes it a bit harder to hit)
Gatherer Tripod - Special - limited drone controller (2 units of either standard drones, hover drones, or scorpion drone)
page 121 Harvester - Special - limited drone controller (2 units of either standard drones hover drones, or scorpion drones)
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Post by madmorgan on Jun 4, 2016 12:10:12 GMT
I like these mikedski but would not include the scorpion drones for the Gatherer & Harvester. They are more assault type drones; the reaper tentacle on the standard/hover drone is more in keeping with the support needs of those two tripods.
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Post by mikedski on Jun 4, 2016 12:49:33 GMT
Ok.
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Post by madmorgan on Jun 4, 2016 12:53:13 GMT
Curious why you think the Scientist needs upgrade in speed??
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Post by madmorgan on Jun 4, 2016 13:05:18 GMT
p. 120 - Gatherer Tripod: No self defense of any kind? Not even reaper tentacles? Makes more sense to at least have those to transfer victims. To that effect, why, logically, does the Harvester have them to transfer them to the Gatherer? The Gatherer can't actually Gather, and the Harvester feeds humans directly into the blender, so why would it transfer them to the unGatherer at all? For my Gatherer models, I use Black Hats 'Handler' cephalod figure with its small heatray and a garbage dumpster from Reapers 'Bones' series (cheep) in 28mm which fits perfectly under the Handlers six legs. I just noticed that the Handler figure also has two tentacles - will probably 'upgrade' it as have two Reaper Tentacles with low assault values as well. I list the Gatherer as a 1908 machine with the Harverster coming in 1909. Gatherers would probably still be in use later on (say maybe till 1911/1912) for small town & village salvage - and much more used in other theaters overseas, where priority wasn't as high for food (North Africa, East Africa, Siberia, Mongolia, the Balkens, etc.). |
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Post by mikedski on Jun 4, 2016 22:36:42 GMT
Curious why you think the Scientist needs upgrade in speed?? Because soldiers wearing gas masks can out run them. |
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Post by tenchuu on Jun 6, 2016 3:03:17 GMT
Well, they ARE busy doing science.
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Post by mikedski on Jun 7, 2016 9:43:42 GMT
Well, they ARE busy doing science. I suppose in specific scenarios the scientist could have a unique purpose or be the actual objective. In one scenario that I came up with the scientist was a repair machine for damaged tripods. But the best reason to get a scientist at the bargain price of 80 points is tripod upgrade. |
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