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Post by enakan on Apr 15, 2019 15:11:07 GMT
Don't want to hijack any threads, had thought about replying to some others, but it was skirting the line!
Got my basic boxed set mostly completed and primed, the US forces at least. Thought I'd set the first few small battles up in Idaho, where Scott has the next closest landing marked on one of his fine maps from his "America in Flames" book. It is the same redoubt/landing/clan from which his Martians get reinforced just in time to survive.
I've been looking up the Army units which had served out West, most rotated in and out as needed, for Indian insurrections (slowing down), labor unrest (ramping up), and just regular unit rotations.
I've had to look up units one by one to see where and when they served, is there a better resource out here somewhere which has them all together? I know for AQMF this will probably be all out the window, but I'd like to keep my initial regiments close to the originals as much as possible. They might be gone or have retreated by the time more improved weapons show up, but then again, there may be some holdouts in more remote areas. Mountains, mines, miners and dynamite, might have a BLAST with some combined or ad hoc units. There were two out and out rebellions/unrest in 1892 and 1899 I believe, plus folks mobilizing and forming units for the Spanish American War too. So some possibilities are there for the same thing happening in the AQMF timespan in 1908 or soon thereafter.
I remember some guys in the past (other gaming systems), who actually NAMED each and every trooper in their units, don't know if I want to go that far, as there will be massive casualties starting out. But I'd like to name a few.....
Any suggestions for army references for this area and time?
Lots of local history up in that area, so much!
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Post by boxholder on Apr 16, 2019 11:32:05 GMT
You might want to see if you can access the West Point library and search it. There is likely to be a lot of information on the Indian Wars there. Whether it has the level of detail that you want is TBD. But that's why you search.
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Post by scottwashburn on Apr 16, 2019 12:17:02 GMT
When I was deciding what regiment to have as Frank Dolfen's I ended up researching the history of specific cavalry regiments and seeing where they were stationed. The 5th had a detachment at Fort Wingate, so that's the one I chose. There is plenty of info on that online. You can probably do the same thing for infantry regiments.
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Post by enakan on Apr 16, 2019 15:01:53 GMT
I am currently going regiment by regiment to see who was stationed where.
So many conflicts, going from 1892 with the mine rebellions and unrest out West, through the minor Indian unrest at the end of the century, to the SA war, Boxer Rebellion, Philippines Insurrection, then units returning home. Units went all over the place, detachments all over the place.
So bit by bit.
Scott, where was the Clan 33 landing up in Idaho? Somewhere close to the Montana border by the looks of your map.
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Post by scottwashburn on Apr 16, 2019 16:41:00 GMT
About fifty miles west of present day Idaho Falls. They built their first holdfast farther to the southwest, just on the eastern side of the Snake River, near Pocatello.
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Post by enakan on Apr 16, 2019 18:07:44 GMT
Gotcha, This gives me a better idea how the local area got taken over, Southern Idaho, southwest Montana, western Wyoming and northern Utah. Got a terrain map, I'm sure they'd go the paths of least topographical resistance. Also, along the railroads. The miners up in northern Idaho might've given them a fight! Very good with dynamite!
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Post by scottwashburn on Apr 16, 2019 19:19:26 GMT
That was really desolate country back in those days. Very few people about.
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Post by enakan on Apr 16, 2019 21:07:51 GMT
I did some online checking on NW state populations, found out the following:
State 1900 1910 Idaho 161,772 325,594 Montana 243,329 376,053 Oregon 413,536 672,765 Washington 518,103 1,141,990 Wyoming 92,531 145,965
I can see why TR (in America in Flame) mentioned there were MORE troops in Wyoming than inhabitants!
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Post by madmorgan on Apr 17, 2019 8:19:50 GMT
I have bought, over the years, a large number of Osprey Men-At-Arms books for source material and painting guides. I recommend MAA 386, US Army in WWI, as well as MAA 327, US Marine Corps in WWI 1917-18. If you plan to do any north of the border units, see MMA 439, Canadian Corps in WWI. These books price at $14.36 each. I've never figured out why Osprey has such a weird price compared to some of their $17.95 books, but, they are cheaper so I'm happy. The books have great color plates and read well, following the formations, deployment, and history for the majority of the forces they represent. I know budgets can be tight, so I'd recommend the US Army book first. You can add others down the line. They have numerous other books besides the MMA series which you could invest in depending on your budget and interests. Check out Osprey.com.
Q could you add Osprey.com to the vendors list if they're not there already?? Ty.
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Post by enakan on Apr 17, 2019 14:11:30 GMT
You can usually pick them up cheaply for used books too.
Found a ton of WW1 painting guides/pictures here online too.
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Post by enakan on Apr 18, 2019 21:45:09 GMT
So I'm thinking the regular Army units supported by mobilized Guard units and locally raised volunteer regiments in the Northwest, taken into federal service, would.......
Be primarily infantry or cavalry, supported by field artillery batteries composed of the M1897 75mm guns (3 inch), possibly some dynamite packs, plus possibly some Gatling guns which were on artillery carriages. Tanks would have to be introduced a few months later, possibly as late as year later.
Sound about right?
Had a thought.
Would any Canadian or British forces, possibly assisting from up North, have any armor yet?
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Post by scottwashburn on Apr 18, 2019 23:09:39 GMT
Sounds good. I really doubt there would be many (or any) Canadian/British forces in that part of Canada at all. Even fewer people living out there than In Idaho. Any modern weapons they had would be back east where 99% of the people are. There might be a few Mounties around to arrest the Martians, but that would be all
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Post by enakan on Apr 19, 2019 12:28:04 GMT
That's kind of the direction I was going with the older weapons,
It's just like when I was in our National Guard, our weapons and vehicles were 20 years behind what the regular army was equipped with. Just thinking that the Eastern units, which had to protect the industrial areas, would have the M1902 field pieces, the Vickers MG's, etc. The western part of the US would suffer from this, would have to make do with the older items.
I started to look up volunteer regiments that were raised for the Spanish American War, there are some, but were equipped with varied weapons. Might be a rough go!
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